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. >> we go to jim lehrer of pbs, moderating this debate. >> jim: i'm jim lehrer. i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates, between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice-presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15-minute segments, with two-minute answers for the first question. then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions via the internet and other means. but i made the final selections. and for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission or the candidates. the segments, as i announced in advance, will be three on the economy and one each on health care, the role of government and governing, with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics a
. >> we go to jim lehrer of pbs, moderating this debate. >> jim: i'm jim lehrer. i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates, between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice-presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by...
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president, you go first. >> thank you very much, jim, for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of denver for your hospitality, a lot of points i want to make tonight, but the most important one is that 20 years ago, became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me. i want to wish you happy anniversary, and a year from now, we won't celebrate it in front of 40 million people. four years ago, we went through the worst financial crisis since the great depression. millions of jobs were lost, the auto industry was on the brink of collapse the financial system had frozen up, and because of theo resilience and determinatin of the american people, we've begun to fight our way back. over the last 30 months, we've seen 5 million jobs in the private sector created. the auto industry has come roaring back and housing has begun to rise. but we all know that we still have a lot of work to do. and so the question here tonight is not where we've been, but where we're going. governor romney has a perspective that says
president, you go first. >> thank you very much, jim, for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of denver for your hospitality, a lot of points i want to make tonight, but the most important one is that 20 years ago, became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to marry me. i want to wish you happy anniversary, and a year from now, we won't celebrate it in front of 40 million people. four years ago, we went through the worst financial...
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for now, from the university of denver i'm jim lehrer. thank you and good night. [ cheers and applause ] >> cenk: there you have it the first presidential debate of 2012. i have a feeling we have mixed feelings about how that debate went. of course you have to keep in mind we'll be discussing tactics here. we know all of the policies and facts that go behind us. some of the viewers might be experiencing those policies in substance for the first time and they might have a different take. now on to the tactics and how it appears, vice president gore? >> al gore: i said before the debate that i thought that romney was going to be a better performer tonight, because he knows how far behind he is and he had to bring his a game and i think he did. i don't think it was the best debate performance for president obama. i agree with you we'll have to see how the specifics on the substantive issues settle in as people reflect on them. but the first visceral reaction i had was that romney did himself some good in this debate. i'm strongly supporting
for now, from the university of denver i'm jim lehrer. thank you and good night. [ cheers and applause ] >> cenk: there you have it the first presidential debate of 2012. i have a feeling we have mixed feelings about how that debate went. of course you have to keep in mind we'll be discussing tactics here. we know all of the policies and facts that go behind us. some of the viewers might be experiencing those policies in substance for the first time and they might have a different take....
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thank you, jim. >> thank you, mr. president. the next debate, the vice presidential event on thursday, october 11th at center college in danville, kentucky. for now, from the university of
thank you, jim. >> thank you, mr. president. the next debate, the vice presidential event on thursday, october 11th at center college in danville, kentucky. for now, from the university of
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i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i love pbs, i love big bird, i actually like you to. but i'm not going to keep spending money on things, borrowing money from china to pay for it. that's number one. number two, i'll take programs that are currently good programs but i think will be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to the state. number three, i'll make government more efficient, cut back the number of employees, combine some agencies into departments. my cutbacks will be done through attrition, by the way. this is the approach we have to take to get america to a balanced budget. the president said he'd cut the deficit in half. unfortunately, he doubled it. $1 trillion deficits for the last four years. the president's put in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >> mr. president, two minutes. >> when i walked into the oval office, i had more than a $1 trillion deficit greeting me. and we know where it came from. two wars that were paid f
i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i love pbs, i love big bird, i actually like you to. but i'm not going to keep spending money on things, borrowing money from china to pay for it. that's number one. number two, i'll take programs that are currently good programs but i think will be run more efficiently at the state level and send them to the state. number three, i'll make government more efficient, cut back the number of employees, combine some agencies into departments. my...
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i believe in competition. >> jim, if i can respond very quickly. first of all, every study has shown medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniors are generally pretty happy with it, and private insurance has to make a profit. nothing wrong, that's what they do. and so you have higher administrative costs, plus profit, on top of that. and if you are going to save any money through what governor romney is proposing, what has to happen, the money has to come from somewhere. and when you move to a voucher system, you are putting seniors at the mercy of those insurance companies, and over time if traditional medicare has decayed or fallen apart, they are stuck. and this is the reason why aarp has said that your plan would weaken substantially and that's why they were supportive of the approach that we took. one last point i want to make. we do have to lower the cost of health care, not just in medicare and medicaid. but overall. >> we'll talk about that in a minute. >> that's a big topic. can we stay on medic
i believe in competition. >> jim, if i can respond very quickly. first of all, every study has shown medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance does, which is why seniors are generally pretty happy with it, and private insurance has to make a profit. nothing wrong, that's what they do. and so you have higher administrative costs, plus profit, on top of that. and if you are going to save any money through what governor romney is proposing, what has to happen, the money...
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thank you, jim. >> thank you, governor, thank
thank you, jim. >> thank you, governor, thank
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i am going to make an important point here, jim. when you add up all the loopholes and deductions that upper-income individuals are currently taking advantageeof, you don't come close to paying for $5 trillion in tax cuts and $2.20 trillion -- $22million in additional military spending. the only way to meet his plan of not adding to the deficit iss families, the average middle- class family with children would pay about $2,000 more. that is not my analysis, that is the analysis of economists who have looked at this thing. that kind of top down economics where folks at the talks are doing well and the middle class families are burdened further, that is not what i believe it is a recipe for economic growth. just a on taxes for a moment. >> virtually everything he just said about my tax plan is inaccurate. if this were attacked and i was asked to support, i would absolutely not. i had said i will not put in place a tax plan that adds to the deficit. no economist can claim that mitt romney tax plan thattadds $5 trillion. number two, i w
i am going to make an important point here, jim. when you add up all the loopholes and deductions that upper-income individuals are currently taking advantageeof, you don't come close to paying for $5 trillion in tax cuts and $2.20 trillion -- $22million in additional military spending. the only way to meet his plan of not adding to the deficit iss families, the average middle- class family with children would pay about $2,000 more. that is not my analysis, that is the analysis of economists...
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i am jim lehrer from the pbs newshour and i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama, the democratic nominee and former massachusetts gov. mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and it will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15- minute segments with the first question and then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment semtex or questions via the internet and other means. but i made the final selections. for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission for the candidates. the segments, as i announced in advance will be three on the economy and one each on health care, the role of government and the governing with an emphasis throughout on differences, specifics, and choices. both candidates also have to- minute closing statements. there is a noise exception right now as we welcome president obama and governor
i am jim lehrer from the pbs newshour and i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama, the democratic nominee and former massachusetts gov. mitt romney, the republican nominee. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and it will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15- minute segments with the first question and then open discussion for...
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two minutes. >> thank you, jim. honor to be here with you and i appreciate the chance to be the president. pleased to be at the university of denver, appreciate their welcome and also the presidential ghicommission. congratulations to you,mr. president, on your anniversary. this is the most romantic thing you would imagine, being here with me. congratulations. this obviously a very tender topic. i've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting with people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my arm, she said, i've been out of work since may, can you help me? and yesterday, at a rally in denver and a woman came up to me with a baby in her arms, said, ann, my husband has had four jobs in three years, part-time jobs, he's lost his most recent job. and we've now just lost our home. can you help us? and the answer is yes. we can help. but it's going to take a different path. not the one we've been on. not the one the president describes as a top down cut taxes for the rich, that's
two minutes. >> thank you, jim. honor to be here with you and i appreciate the chance to be the president. pleased to be at the university of denver, appreciate their welcome and also the presidential ghicommission. congratulations to you,mr. president, on your anniversary. this is the most romantic thing you would imagine, being here with me. congratulations. this obviously a very tender topic. i've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting with people across the country....
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maybe jim lehrer. format i love. much more demanding on jim but better for us. >> ifill: we're looking forward to what jim has to say tonight. it's a big night and we'll go to the convention hall and hoar from our own jim lehrer. >> lehrer: good evening, from the ma nag mess arena in colora. i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, the republican. nominee. this debate and the next three, two presidential, one vice presidential, are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers for the first question, then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions have a the internet and other mea, b i made the final selections, and for the record, they wer
maybe jim lehrer. format i love. much more demanding on jim but better for us. >> ifill: we're looking forward to what jim has to say tonight. it's a big night and we'll go to the convention hall and hoar from our own jim lehrer. >> lehrer: good evening, from the ma nag mess arena in colora. i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama, the democratic nominee, and former massachusetts governor, mitt romney, the republican. nominee. this...
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the sole questioner tonight is jim lehrer. it's the 12th time he's served as moderator. >> lehrer: good evening. from the magnus arena at the university of denver in denver, colorado. i'm jim lehrer of the pbs newshour and i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama the democratic nominee and former massachusetts governor romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three-- two presidential, one vice presidential-- are sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. tonight's 90 minutes will be about domestic issues and will follow a format designed by the commission. there will be six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers for the first question. then open discussion for the remainder of each segment. thousands of people offered suggestions on segment subjects or questions via the internet and other means but i made the final selections and, for the record, they were not submitted for approval to the commission or the candidates. the segments, as i an
the sole questioner tonight is jim lehrer. it's the 12th time he's served as moderator. >> lehrer: good evening. from the magnus arena at the university of denver in denver, colorado. i'm jim lehrer of the pbs newshour and i welcome you to the first of the 2012 presidential debates between president barack obama the democratic nominee and former massachusetts governor romney, the republican nominee. this debate and the next three-- two presidential, one vice presidential-- are sponsored...
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romney: thank you, jim. i'm pleased to be at the university of denver, appreciate their welcome and also the presidential commission on these debates. and congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. [laughter] so congratulations. this is, obviously, a very tender topic. i've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman said i've been out of work since may, can you help me? ann yesterday was at a rally in ten very, and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said, ann, my husband has had four jobs in three years, part-time jobs. he's lost his most recent job, and we have now just lost our home. can you help us x. the answer is, yes, we can help. but it's going to take a different path. not the one we've been on, not the one the president droibs as a top- describes as a top-down cut taxes for the rich. that's not what i'm going to do. m
romney: thank you, jim. i'm pleased to be at the university of denver, appreciate their welcome and also the presidential commission on these debates. and congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. [laughter] so congratulations. this is, obviously, a very tender topic. i've had the occasion over the last couple of years of meeting people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman said i've...
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president. >> well, jim, i want to thank you. and i want to thank governor romney because i think this was a terrific debate and i very much appreciate it. and i want to thank the university of denver. you know, four years ago we were going through a major crisis, and yet my faith and confidence in the american future is undiminished. and the reason is because of its people. because of the woman i met in north carolina who decided at 55 to go back to school because she wanted to inspire her daughter and now has a job from that new training that she's gotten. because of a company in minnesota who was willing to give up salaries and perks for their executives to make sure that they didn't lay off workers during a recession. the auto workers that you meet in toledo or detroit take such pride in building the best cars in the world. not just because of a paycheck but because it gives them that sense of pride, that they're helping to build america. and so the question now is how do we build on those strengths? and everything that i've
president. >> well, jim, i want to thank you. and i want to thank governor romney because i think this was a terrific debate and i very much appreciate it. and i want to thank the university of denver. you know, four years ago we were going through a major crisis, and yet my faith and confidence in the american future is undiminished. and the reason is because of its people. because of the woman i met in north carolina who decided at 55 to go back to school because she wanted to inspire...
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i'm going to make an important point here, jim. when you add up all the loopholes and deductions that upper income individuals can -- are currently taking advantage of, you take those all the way, you don't come close to paying for $5 trillion in tax cuts and $2 trillion in additional military spending. that's why governor romney's pledge by not reducing the deficit is by burdening the middle class. the average family with two children would pay $2,000 a year more. that's not my analysis. that kind of top-down analysis where folks at the top make more so the average upper class earner is getting a tax cut to the middle class can pay more, that's not my opinion of a program that works. >> everything he said about my tax plan is inaccurate. if the tax plan he described were something someone offered, i would say absolutely not. i would say no tax cut -- i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. i will not reduce the amount paid by high-income individuals. i know you and your running mate keep saying that, but it is not the case
i'm going to make an important point here, jim. when you add up all the loopholes and deductions that upper income individuals can -- are currently taking advantage of, you take those all the way, you don't come close to paying for $5 trillion in tax cuts and $2 trillion in additional military spending. that's why governor romney's pledge by not reducing the deficit is by burdening the middle class. the average family with two children would pay $2,000 a year more. that's not my analysis. that...
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one. >> jim: let's not. let's let him respond to this specific on dodd frank and what the governor just said. >> i think this is a great example. the reason we have been in such an enormous economic crisis was prompted by reckless behavior across the board. now twasn't just on wall street. you had loan officers that were giving loans and mortgages that really shouldn't have been given bos because the folks didn't qualify. hupeople borrowing money to buy a house they couldn't afford. hucredit agencies stamping these as a-1 great investments when they weren't. but you also had banks making money hand over fist, churning out products that the bankers themselves didn't even understand, in order to make big profits, but knowing that it made the entire system vulnerable. so what did we do? we stepped in and had at this time toughest reforms on wall street since the 1930s. we said, banks, you have to raise your capital requirements. you can't engage in the rinky behavior that is putting main street at risk. we are
one. >> jim: let's not. let's let him respond to this specific on dodd frank and what the governor just said. >> i think this is a great example. the reason we have been in such an enormous economic crisis was prompted by reckless behavior across the board. now twasn't just on wall street. you had loan officers that were giving loans and mortgages that really shouldn't have been given bos because the folks didn't qualify. hupeople borrowing money to buy a house they couldn't afford....
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reaction from fox news contributor jim pinkerton. connell: small businesses really turning to an unlikely bank to get loans. how about amazon. amazon capital services part of the company's lending program which allows customers to obtain cash quicker than they would with a traditional bank loan. amazon not disclosing the number of merchants who qualify for this program, according to a company representative. however those who do qualify are characterized as heavy sellers of goods through amazon's websites. dagen: last night's presidential debate lit up social networks setting the record as the most tweeted about event in u.s. political history. exceeding both conventions. in just 90 minutes the debate generated a whopping 10.3 million tweets. sesame street was a twitter sensation last night as well for governor romney's i love big board but i'm going to basically -- [inaudible] -- that comment generated 70,000 tweets per minute that mentioned sesame street. can i add one thing? connell: only one. dagen: what's interesting at twitter
reaction from fox news contributor jim pinkerton. connell: small businesses really turning to an unlikely bank to get loans. how about amazon. amazon capital services part of the company's lending program which allows customers to obtain cash quicker than they would with a traditional bank loan. amazon not disclosing the number of merchants who qualify for this program, according to a company representative. however those who do qualify are characterized as heavy sellers of goods through...
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thank you, jim. >> jim: thank you, governor. thank you, mr. president. the next debate will be the vice-presidential event on thursday, october 11 at center o'clock in danville, kentucky. for now, from the university of denver, i'm jim lehrer. thank you and gbts. ooh thank you and good night. [cheers and applause] did >> 90 minutes later. it was a robust debate, in the team jerseys, governor rom f >>> president obama in the blue. t romney landing a number of jabs on the president from everything from debt and jobs and the the economy toealt healthcare to h his green g energy program and saying, americans republican and and democrat need leadership and he is prepared to provide it.ovid the president keeping his cool which was said by the punditsbe to be one of the challenges for him tonight and saying leadership requires more than just lofty goals, it requires specifics and he didn't see see them from the governor. mitt romney looking mostly oh he veronica moser at president at president obama when making his points and president obama be looking mostly a
thank you, jim. >> jim: thank you, governor. thank you, mr. president. the next debate will be the vice-presidential event on thursday, october 11 at center o'clock in danville, kentucky. for now, from the university of denver, i'm jim lehrer. thank you and gbts. ooh thank you and good night. [cheers and applause] did >> 90 minutes later. it was a robust debate, in the team jerseys, governor rom f >>> president obama in the blue. t romney landing a number of jabs on the...
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romney: thank you, jim. i am pleased to be at the university of denver and i appreciate their welcome and also the presidential commission on these debates. congratulations to you, mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this is the most romantic place you can imagine here with me. [laughter] congratulations. this is obviously a very tender topic. identification of the last couple years many people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my hand and said she'd been out of work since may. can you help me? yesterday was a rally in denver and a woman came up to her with a baby in her arms and said my husband has had four jobs in three years, part-time jobs. he has lost his most recent job and we cannot just lost our home. can you help us? the answer is yes, we can help, but it is going to take a different path. not the one we have been on, not the one the president described as a top down cut taxes for the rich. that is not what i'm going to do. my plan has five basic parts. one, get
romney: thank you, jim. i am pleased to be at the university of denver and i appreciate their welcome and also the presidential commission on these debates. congratulations to you, mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this is the most romantic place you can imagine here with me. [laughter] congratulations. this is obviously a very tender topic. identification of the last couple years many people across the country. i was in dayton, ohio, and a woman grabbed my hand and said she'd been...
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we're told this is a return to the jim crow laws. well, frankly 80 percent of americans support the total idea pools. the thomas is a high percentage for any issue, even high and another that your humble pie because people are estranged and some people. chieftains of hispanics and african-americans support photo id. in fact, rasmussen asked, they believe and for a is a serious issue? 63 percent of whites said yes and 64 percent of african-americans said gm's. african americans in some places live where a machine controls the political left that the live under. frankly it allows the crime rates to skyrocket. the biggest victim of flow from is minority reformers and veterinarians were political machines control the destiny in the can't fight city of. the mayor of detroit who until recently was serving in public housing after conviction for crimes, he won his second term in part because of a flood of fraudulent ballots. the city clerk cluster job after that. abilene were asking for another florist, a town we could extend free finlandia'
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. >> jim, the president began this segment, so i think i get the last word. >> he gets the first word, i get the last word. let me make this happen. i'm sorry, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like big bird. i'm not going to keep spending on things from china to pay for it. if that's the case, it will be the best product to purchase. my experience is the private sector is typically able to provide a product at a lower cost. >> can the two of you agree, the voters have a clear choice on medicare? >> absolutely. let's mention the other one. >> let's not. >> the last point i would make before -- >> ten minutes is up, sir. >> i had five seconds before he interrupted me -- >> joining us to sort through the debate, the executive editor of politico, jim van dehide. thanks for waking up early. cnn viewers, 67% of them said mitt romney had a better night. what is your view after watching it? >> there's no doubt mitt romney had the night of his political night. he had to have the night he had last night. i can't think of a debate in the 20 years covering this where the gap between the tw
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moderator for the debate last night was jim lehrer of pbs and jim was as in control of this evening as a replacement referee. >> we do have to lower the cost of health care. not just in medicare -- >> talk about that in a minute. >> but overall. >> all i want to do -- >> let's get back to medicare. >> my experience is the private sector, typically -- >> all right, just so everybody understands, we're way over our first 15 minutes. >> the president began this segment, so, i think i get the last word, so i'm going to take it. >> this is a major difference that governor romney and i have. >> we're running out of time. >> jim. >> respond to that. >> two minutes is up, sir. >> no, i think i had five seconds before you interrupted me. >> i have to respond to that, which is, my experience as a governor. >> let's look at this. >> romney earlier mentioned. >> like anything that's been tried before. >> well, bring down rates -- >> commission. >> i heard the romney clan. >> from the university of denver, i'm jim lehrer. >> and back into retirement. just wanted to get through the hot topics. norma
moderator for the debate last night was jim lehrer of pbs and jim was as in control of this evening as a replacement referee. >> we do have to lower the cost of health care. not just in medicare -- >> talk about that in a minute. >> but overall. >> all i want to do -- >> let's get back to medicare. >> my experience is the private sector, typically -- >> all right, just so everybody understands, we're way over our first 15 minutes. >> the president...
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i think jim is right from a political perspective. if you haven't done it yet and you've taken as much flack for it as you have, why do it now because now you're still going to take all the flack for not releasing details all the way up until now -- >> and what happened is actually mitt romney did try to sort of -- he provided that answer about a week ago when he said, well, maybe we'll have a bucket and he did this -- and he speculated -- >> 17,000. >> all of a sudden said, okay -- >> they backed off of that and how did they back off on it? saying we're not going to do any kind of redistributive kind -- you know who got angry about that. i think because he had a good performance people will take a second look. >> it's part of the second look. all right. let's end on a shameless plug now. shameless plug, happy note. jim, go. >> my son is getting a good citizenship award in his first month in kindergarten next week. aren't i fun, loveable, warm guy? >> my son needs to know he's supposed to get an excellent and not a good on his behavio
i think jim is right from a political perspective. if you haven't done it yet and you've taken as much flack for it as you have, why do it now because now you're still going to take all the flack for not releasing details all the way up until now -- >> and what happened is actually mitt romney did try to sort of -- he provided that answer about a week ago when he said, well, maybe we'll have a bucket and he did this -- and he speculated -- >> 17,000. >> all of a sudden said,...